Comma before dash in what cases. Comma plus dash. Errors in coordination

Hello. Here we need comma before dash? Thank you. “If you think you need to change something in your life, you don’t think so.”

Comma before dash needed.

Question No. 302983

Please tell me whether a comma is needed after a dash in the sentence: Helping you not to get lost in these complex but interesting labyrinths is our task. Thank you!

Russian help desk response

Comma before dash not required.

Question No. 302728

Please tell me if I need it here comma before dash? Is it necessary to separate comparative turnover? A specialized lawyer is better than a legal supermarket(,) - to protect a trademark you need an intellectual property lawyer or a patent attorney.

Russian help desk response

Comma before dash is needed, but according to the rules in this sentence you should put a colon, not a dash: A specialized lawyer is better than a legal supermarket: to protect a trademark you need an intellectual property lawyer or a patent attorney.

Question No. 302503

Please tell me if you need it comma before dash? New limits to remain on a simplified basis - up to 200 million rubles in income and up to 130 employees based on the average number of employees.

Russian help desk response

A comma is needed.

Question No. 299972

Hello! Is it necessary comma before dash in this case? During my youth, all of us, high school students, read small, cheap books with yellow paper covers, printed in petite (small) typographical font.

Russian help desk response

Comma before dash need not: ... printed in petit - small typographic font.

Question No. 298985

Hello! Is it possible to put in this case comma before dash? We decided to fix this and make communication the way it should be () - fast, convenient and accessible.

Russian help desk response

Question No. 298762

Hello. Is it necessary comma before dash? “Today we’ll talk about what makes rooms cozy, beautiful and unique - decor.” Thank you

Russian help desk response

Comma before dash needed.

Question No. 298237

I ask for the third time: comma before dash is it necessary or not? Thank you. // True vipers, or vipers (lat. Vipera) are a genus of poisonous snakes of the viper family. // Spectacled snake, or Indian cobra (lat. Naja naja) is a species of snake from the genus True cobras.

Russian help desk response

Comma before dash in such cases it is necessary.

Question No. 297873

Is it necessary comma before dash: I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that the most important enemy for us is ourselves

Russian help desk response

Comma before dash not required.

Question No. 297773

Hello. Having trouble with punctuation, you need comma before dash? Theoretically, it seems like yes: To say that Lolita’s wedding will be an event means to say nothing.

Russian help desk response

Yes, comma before dash needed.

Question No. 297636

Hello. Is a comma necessary in place of parentheses? Where can I read about comma placement in such cases? It's okay if you only want to read books or just draw(,) - the teacher will always help.

Russian help desk response

Whether or not to put a comma depends on the meaning of the sentence, namely what the words refer to the teacher will always help.

If you mean: if you only want to read books or just draw - the teacher will always help (read and draw), That comma before dash need not.

If you mean: It’s normal if you only want to read books or just draw - the teacher will always help (to cope with this situation and find a balance between desire and need), That comma before dash needed.

Question No. 297130

“We have collected books about mindfulness and energy that will help maintain a sense of harmony - with nature and with yourself.” Is it necessary comma before dash? Thank you.

Russian help desk response

Comma before dash need not.

Question No. 296591

Good afternoon Please tell me if it is put in the next sentence comma before dash: “The number of parts exposed to corrosion(,) - 50”? If possible, please indicate what rule governs the placement of punctuation marks. Thank you.

Russian help desk response

Comma before dash needed. Participial susceptible to corrosion, standing after the word being defined details, separated by commas on both sides.

Question No. 296306

Good afternoon Please tell me if you need it comma before dash? "For everyone who got involved in the debate about “flaming Gothic”(,) - we explain what Gothic symbolism really is." Thank you.

Russian help desk response

Use a comma without a dash: Everyone , who got involved in the debate about “flaming Gothic”, we explain what Gothic symbolism really is.

Question No. 296173

Good afternoon Please tell me if I need it comma before dash in this sentence: “Her language is universal, as it conveys feelings that we understand - tenderness, joy, sorrow.” Thank you!

Russian help desk response

A comma is not required.

Readers have more than once encountered student works and research on the pages of our application. The material presented to your attention was also written by a student, not a teacher. And it is dedicated to a very, very relevant topic...

......It all started with a mistake. In the dictation I came across this tricky sentence: “After all, for ordinary artists, nature in places where a shadow falls on it seems to consist of a different substance than in illuminated places - it is wood, bronze, anything you like, just not a shadowed body.”. All my desk neighbors began to argue: what to put in front of the word This– a comma, a dash, or both?
Opinions were divided, and we turned to the teacher. “Who wants to understand this problem, read grammar reference books, look in books for sentences in which a comma and a dash are next to each other, and together we will try to figure it out,” he said.
This idea seemed interesting to me, and to the next lesson I brought my “collection” (I compiled it while studying the “Anthology of Russian Literature of the 19th–20th Centuries” (M.: Lamand Enterprises, 1999).
In A Guide to Spelling, Pronunciation, and Literary Editing by D.E. Rosenthal, E.V. Dzhandzhakova and N.P. Kabanova (M.: CheRo, 1999) writes that a comma and a dash in a complex sentence are placed as a single sign:

1) before the main sentence, which is preceded by a number of homogeneous subordinate clauses, if the division of the whole into two parts is emphasized, for example: Which one is to blame? , who is right, it's not for us to judge (I. Krylov); Did Stolz do anything for this, what did he do and how did he do it - we don’t know. (N. Dobrolyubov);

2) before a word that is repeated in order to connect with it a new sentence (usually a subordinate clause) or a further part of the same sentence, for example: Could this new social movement not be reflected in literature - in literature, which is always an expression of society! (V. Belinsky); Now, as a judicial investigator, Ivan Ilyich felt that all the most important, self-satisfied people, without exception, were all in his hands (L. Tolstoy); His life, which began (so wonderful in memories) the huge church porch... and the voice of my mother, in which the flint path shone a thousand times and the star spoke to the star - this life was filled with every hour with new, ever new meaning (V. Kataev);

3) in artistic speech in a period (a sentence of significant volume, most often complex, which is divided by a pause into two parts - rising and falling) between its parts, for example: A man begins to compose a poem according to different considerations: to win the heart of the beloved, so that express his attitude to the reality surrounding him, be it a landscape or a state, in order to capture his state of mind, in where he is currently located in order to leave a mark on the earth - for this he takes up his pen (I. Brodsky); Like a hawk swimming in the sky, having made many circles with its strong wings, suddenly stops, spread out in the air in one place, and shoots from there with an arrow at a male quail shouting near the road - so Taras’s son Ostap suddenly flew at the cornet and immediately threw it around his neck rope (N. Gogol).

Armed with this information, I began to look for examples. And this is what I found.

1. After the winter spent in Dyalizh, among the sick and the peasants, sitting in the living room, looking at this young, graceful and, probably, pure creature and listening to these noisy, annoying, but still cultural sounds - it was so pleasant, so new ...( A. Chekhov. Ionych)
The sign “comma + dash” stands between the subject, expressed by a series of homogeneous infinitives, and the predicate; the example does not fit any of the points mentioned in the reference book. The grammatical basis of a sentence sit, it was so nice to watch and listen does not imply the appearance of any signs between the subject and the predicate, and there are no constructions separated by commas. This means that the “comma + dash” sign can be considered purely the author’s.
By the way, there is another punctuation difficulty in this sentence. Commas around the turn among the sick and men reflect the author’s intention to show the clarifying nature of the circumstance.

2. At first, Startsev was struck by what he was now seeing for the first time in his life and what he would probably never see again: a world unlike anything else - a world where the moonlight is so good and soft... ( A. Chekhov. Ionych)
Here the “comma + dash” sign corresponds to paragraph 2 of the “Directory” quoted above.

3. Startsev barely found the gate - it was already dark, like an autumn night - then he wandered around for an hour and a half, looking for the lane where he had left his horses. ( A. Chekhov. Ionych)
This example does not fit any of the cases described in the Handbook. This offer features a plug-in design (it was already dark, like an autumn night); it is marked with a double dash sign. Comma after a word night is necessary because, firstly, it closes the comparative phrase, and secondly, it separates homogeneous predicates from each other found, wandered. Comma after a word gates is not obligatory, it can be considered an author’s mark, placed for greater expressiveness (and partly, perhaps, for symmetry).

4. He was a little ashamed, and his pride was offended - he did not expect a refusal - and he could not believe that all his dreams, yearnings and hopes had led him to such a stupid end. ( A. Chekhov. Ionych)
This example also does not fit any of the cases described in the Handbook. See the comment to the previous sentence - everything is similar here.

5. He remembered his love, the dreams and hopes that worried him four years ago - and he felt embarrassed. ( A. Chekhov. Ionych)
This example also does not fit any of the cases described in the Handbook. The obligatory sign here is a comma, closing the subordinate clause. The dash was added by the author for greater expressiveness.

6. I remember when I was a boy of about fifteen, my late father - he was then selling in a shop here in the village - hit me in the face with his fist, blood started coming out of my nose... ( A. Chekhov. The Cherry Orchard)
This example also does not fit any of the cases described in the Handbook. A typical insertion design is marked here not by the standard “dash pair” sign, but by the paired “comma + dash” sign.

7. The Yaroslavl grandmother sent fifteen thousand to buy an estate in her name - she doesn’t believe us - and this money would not even be enough to pay the interest. ( A. Chekhov. The Cherry Orchard)
See comment to proposal 3: everything is similar here.

8. The young lady tells me to dance - there are many gentlemen, but few ladies - and my head is spinning from dancing, my heart is beating. ( A. Chekhov. The Cherry Orchard)
See commentary to sentence 3. However, in this sentence the author did not put that very optional comma before the first dash. In principle, it was possible to do without the second comma here, since the comma before the conjunction A in a complex sentence, a dash can be replaced.

9. The inhabitants of the suburban seaside resort - mostly Greeks and Jews, life-loving and suspicious, like all southerners - hastily moved to the city. ( A. Kuprin. Garnet bracelet)
Here we “met” a separate application, highlighted with the “paired dash” sign, and a comparative phrase. Regulatory combination of signs.

10. Fishing boats, difficult to distinguish with the eye - they seemed small, - motionlessly dozed in the surface of the sea, not far from the shore. ( A. Kuprin. Garnet bracelet)
Plug-in design they seemed small indicated by a double dash, comma after the word small closes the participial phrase. What is not trivial here is that the author decided to introduce the insertion construction into the participial phrase.

11. It was about him that Skobelev once said: “I know one officer who is much braver than me - this is Major Anosov.” ( A. Kuprin. Garnet bracelet)
A comma here closes the subordinate clause, a dash (in accordance with the norm) separates parts of the sentence connected by a non-union connection. It is possible to replace the combination of characters with a semicolon or (even worse) with a colon.

12. You will see that frozen pigs are being delivered - Christmas will come soon. ( I. Shmelev. Summer of the Lord)
A comma closes a subordinate clause, a dash separates parts connected by a non-union connection. It is not possible to replace the combination of characters.
I believe that even these examples are quite enough to understand how important it is to “track” syntactic constructions in a sentence: some, standing next to each other, create a situation of combining signs (sentences 11, 12); the latter are capable of “absorbing” a punctuation mark belonging to a neighbor (see commentary on sentence 8); As for the special “comma + dash” sign, it is predominantly the author’s, it was apparently created by punctuation fashion, and now in many cases it is replaced by a simple dash.
As for the sentence that gave rise to heated debate among my classmates, now I can say with knowledge: it needs both a comma, which closes the comparative phrase, and a dash, “opening” a new part of the complex sentence. However, this combination of characters can be replaced with a semicolon.
The teacher praised me and said one more important thing: often the author’s mark appears not by the will of the author himself, but by the will of editors and proofreaders.

The common formulation of the punctuation rule “there is always a dash before “this”” is both correct and incorrect. The fact is that in this version the rule covers only part of the cases of using this word. It is understood that the “dash” sign before this word is always, without exception, necessary if we are talking about a connection between the subject and the predicate; in other cases, other algorithms and rules may apply.

Dash in original designs

As you know, one of the main situations when it is necessary to put a dash is in sentences, the basis of which is expressed by a noun, numeral or infinitive, in which the sign is placed between the subject and the predicate:

A jigsaw is a tool that even a woman can easily master.(The sign is placed between expressed nouns.)

Late spring is a time of love, hopes and expectations.

School is a time for self-determination and personality development.

Dash in the same constructions containing the connective

Often, unsuccessful formulations by elementary school methodologists provoke errors in sentences where the predicate is accompanied by a connective. Everywhere, junior schoolchildren are explained that “a dash is placed instead (!) of the word “this”.” This formulation works as a tool when placing signs in sentences without a connective, but it is misleading if you need to place a sign in a sentence with this connective. The fact is that from the “hint” formulated in this way, it logically follows that if a dash is placed “instead of” a word, it means that when it is in the sentence, the need for a sign disappears. Many schoolchildren form a persistent stereotype, which leads to persistent errors: a dash is not placed in sentences with a connective.

After or single gerund

In addition, the sign is mistakenly placed after the participial or There are no logical reasons for such a sign; apparently, the writer is at the mercy of the same stereotype, transferred from particular cases to all others: “a dash is placed before “this.”

Forming gradually, this decision grew stronger and stronger, and was finally accepted.

Finding himself unattainable, this journey so consumed his thoughts that he could think of nothing else.

Having scattered across the meadow, this herd of children released into the wild heard and saw nothing but the sun, strawberries and butterflies.

As in the case described above, a sentence with a copula before the predicate, an expressed noun, numeral or infinitive and a complicated adverbial phrase should be distinguished from such a construction. In such sentences, two signs are placed before the copula following a single gerundial participle or phrase:

Leaving forever, mentally looking back on the years you have lived, is a true test.(The dash is placed for the same reason that it is necessary in the sentence " Leaving forever is a true test.”. A comma before a dash is needed as a closing comma in adverbial phrases.)

Watching children learn to live by playing and quarreling with each other and copying the behavior of their parents is not only a pleasure and an interesting activity, but also a reason to reflect on oneself. If we reduce the sentence by excluding the subordinate clause and participial phrase from its composition, then the logic of the appearance of the dash is obvious: “ Watching children is not only a pleasure and an interesting activity, but also a reason to think about yourself" A comma before this sign closes the participial phrase, and if it is excluded, the subordinate clause.

So, whether a dash is placed before “this” if it is not about depends almost entirely on which part of speech and which word we are talking about.

Hello. Here we need comma before dash? Thank you. “If you think you need to change something in your life, you don’t think so.”

Comma before dash needed.

Question No. 302983

Please tell me whether a comma is needed after a dash in the sentence: Helping you not to get lost in these complex but interesting labyrinths is our task. Thank you!

Russian help desk response

Comma before dash not required.

Question No. 302728

Please tell me if I need it here comma before dash? Is it necessary to separate comparative turnover? A specialized lawyer is better than a legal supermarket(,) - to protect a trademark you need an intellectual property lawyer or a patent attorney.

Russian help desk response

Comma before dash is needed, but according to the rules in this sentence you should put a colon, not a dash: A specialized lawyer is better than a legal supermarket: to protect a trademark you need an intellectual property lawyer or a patent attorney.

Question No. 302503

Please tell me if you need it comma before dash? New limits to remain on a simplified basis - up to 200 million rubles in income and up to 130 employees based on the average number of employees.

Russian help desk response

A comma is needed.

Question No. 299972

Hello! Is it necessary comma before dash in this case? During my youth, all of us, high school students, read small, cheap books with yellow paper covers, printed in petite (small) typographical font.

Russian help desk response

Comma before dash need not: ... printed in petit - small typographic font.

Question No. 298985

Hello! Is it possible to put in this case comma before dash? We decided to fix this and make communication the way it should be () - fast, convenient and accessible.

Russian help desk response

Question No. 298762

Hello. Is it necessary comma before dash? “Today we’ll talk about what makes rooms cozy, beautiful and unique - decor.” Thank you

Russian help desk response

Comma before dash needed.

Question No. 298237

I ask for the third time: comma before dash is it necessary or not? Thank you. // True vipers, or vipers (lat. Vipera) are a genus of poisonous snakes of the viper family. // Spectacled snake, or Indian cobra (lat. Naja naja) is a species of snake from the genus True cobras.

Russian help desk response

Comma before dash in such cases it is necessary.

Question No. 297873

Is it necessary comma before dash: I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that the most important enemy for us is ourselves

Russian help desk response

Comma before dash not required.

Question No. 297773

Hello. Having trouble with punctuation, you need comma before dash? Theoretically, it seems like yes: To say that Lolita’s wedding will be an event means to say nothing.

Russian help desk response

Yes, comma before dash needed.

Question No. 297636

Hello. Is a comma necessary in place of parentheses? Where can I read about comma placement in such cases? It's okay if you only want to read books or just draw(,) - the teacher will always help.

Russian help desk response

Whether or not to put a comma depends on the meaning of the sentence, namely what the words refer to the teacher will always help.

If you mean: if you only want to read books or just draw - the teacher will always help (read and draw), That comma before dash need not.

If you mean: It’s normal if you only want to read books or just draw - the teacher will always help (to cope with this situation and find a balance between desire and need), That comma before dash needed.

Question No. 297130

“We have collected books about mindfulness and energy that will help maintain a sense of harmony - with nature and with yourself.” Is it necessary comma before dash? Thank you.

Russian help desk response

Comma before dash need not.

Question No. 296591

Good afternoon Please tell me if it is put in the next sentence comma before dash: “The number of parts exposed to corrosion(,) - 50”? If possible, please indicate what rule governs the placement of punctuation marks. Thank you.

Russian help desk response

Comma before dash needed. Participial susceptible to corrosion, standing after the word being defined details, separated by commas on both sides.

Question No. 296306

Good afternoon Please tell me if you need it comma before dash? "For everyone who got involved in the debate about “flaming Gothic”(,) - we explain what Gothic symbolism really is." Thank you.

Russian help desk response

Use a comma without a dash: Everyone , who got involved in the debate about “flaming Gothic”, we explain what Gothic symbolism really is.

Question No. 296173

Good afternoon Please tell me if I need it comma before dash in this sentence: “Her language is universal, as it conveys feelings that we understand - tenderness, joy, sorrow.” Thank you!

Russian help desk response

A comma is not required.

Question. When should you use a comma and a dash next to it? How to explain the use of commas and dashes in the following sentences:

1) His gait was careless and lazy, but I noticed that he did not wave his arms - the first sign of some secretiveness of character.

2) Alas! My box, a sword with a silver frame, a Dagestan dagger - a gift from a friend - everything disappeared.

3) I answered that the flies were bothering me, and we both fell silent.

4) I was gloomy, - other children were cheerful and talkative; I felt superior to them - they put me lower (from M. Yu. Lermontov’s novel “A Hero of Our Time”)?

Answer. The combination of two punctuation marks - a comma and a dash - is used in cases where, in accordance with one rule, one of these marks is required, and in accordance with another, another. Such cases are quite varied. Here are some.

It is known, for example, that a dash is placed when a connective is omitted when the predicate is expressed by a noun in the nominative case. If such a predicate is preceded by a participial phrase that defines the subject, or attributive clause, or application, or address, then after the participial phrase or subordinate clause, application or address, a comma and a dash are placed, for example: The comrade who came to see me yesterday is a master of sports . Ivan Petrovich, my friend, is the wittiest person. My sister, Pyotr Mikhailovich, is a wonderful housewife.

A dash is placed after homogeneous members before the generalizing word. If the last of the homogeneous members is explained by some isolated phrase, then after this phrase you need to put a comma and a dash: Neither in the fields, nor in the ravines, not even in the forest, under the dark spruce trees, there was no snow anywhere.

A dash can be placed to highlight a separate application standing after the noun being defined, if it is necessary to give such an application a touch of independence. Between the defined noun and the application there may be a participial phrase or subordinate clause, and then again two signs will be needed: This was my best friend, whom I have not seen for so long, Seryozha Vikhrov.

Sometimes it is difficult to determine whether a given complex punctuation mark belongs to the author himself or whether it was added by a proofreader, perhaps contrary to the author’s intentions. Indeed, in different editions of the same work we often find discrepancies in punctuation marks: sometimes even in the same edition in similar cases different marks are observed. This is the case with the sentence given in the question: Alas! My box, a saber with a silver frame, a Dagestan dagger - a gift from a friend - everything disappeared. In the 1941 edition of Lermontov’s prose (M. Yu. Lermontov, Proza, Goslitizdat, 1941) there is no dash before the appendix of a friend’s gift; this application is separated by commas, and after the application there is a dash before the generalizing word. With such an arrangement of signs, the application would not be delimited from homogeneous members. For such delimitation, after homogeneous terms, only a dash is usually placed before the application (see the answer to the question “When is a dash placed before a common application?” - p. 268, paragraph 4). Thus, in this sentence, after the word dagger, it is better to put one dash (without a comma).

Let's move on to other examples given in the question.

In sentences like I was gloomy - other children are cheerful and chatty, according to our rules, only a dash is required (to express opposition in the absence of a conjunction). In the same editions of Lermontov's works and in the same paragraph we find the following examples: I was modest - they accused me of deceit, or I told the truth - they did not believe me. There are no commas in these examples. The discrepancy is evident even within one paragraph.

In the sentence, His gait was careless and lazy, but I noticed that he did not wave his arms - a sure sign of some secretiveness of character, an additional subordinate clause is highlighted with commas; The dash is placed in order to separate a peculiar application to the subordinate clause (the fact that he did not wave his arms is a sign of a secretive character).

The dash in the sentence I answered that the flies bother me - and we both fell silent due to the fact that the last sentence indicates a consequence of what was said earlier; commas are placed to highlight the subordinate clause.

Question. Is the comma placed correctly after the introductory sentence, and not after the subordinate clause in the sentence? Verevkin, on whom Lena’s story did not make much of an impression - he could not overcome his annoyance - remained stubbornly silent?

Answer. According to the rules for combining characters, a comma, which is required in the text at the junction of the main part of the sentence and the introductory sentence, is placed after the closing bracket if the introductory sentence is highlighted with brackets, and before the second dash if the introductory sentence is highlighted with a dash. For example: Ovsyanikov adhered to ancient customs not out of superstition (his soul was quite free), but out of habit (Turgenev); When I returned home - it was after midnight - everyone was already asleep. Therefore, in the case under consideration, where the comma should stand at the place where the main sentence is broken by the introductory sentence, it is correctly placed before the second dash (when a comma and a dash coincide, the latter is always placed after the comma). See K.I. Bylinsky and N.N. Nikolsky, Handbook of spelling and punctuation for press workers, 1957, p. 97, note 2 to § 166.